Andy’s Blog: The Conservative Knows - Almost Better Than We


Some believe MoveOn and progressives should not be quoting conservative Barry Goldwater, who famously is quoted saying: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”


But, Goldwater is a perfect resource for what could happen to an old conservative who not only moderated as he aged, but actually supported Clinton, I believe. Better that it come from another conservative than some secualr lefty like me. 

 The MoveOn quote is merely a portion of the few choice words Goldwater uttered in reaction to the preponderance of religious influence.

Here’s another: “On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.”

I say:

This is an old war in every country. Religious zealots have forever believed they should be in charge of the corporal world around them and elsewhere. Not that most of it was a spiritual belief system driving this, but a zealotry of religious overlay on the secular diversity around them. That’s where politics stepped in to create the schism between Christians and Jews, Catholics and Islam, the pope and Henry VIII, the Catholics and Martin Luther (and John Knox and John Calvin, evangelists in their own day), between the Coptics and Rome, between Rome and the Byzantine rites, between Roman orthodoxy and Greek and Russian orthodoxy. The Puritans and other Americans. It’s what the Inquisition was about. Note the dominant presence of Catholicism in that history. Note the domination of evangelism in rightwing politics in this country, yes, but the role of Catholicism in anti-human rights initiatives yet again. Witness the attempted hijacking of Far Eastern/Asian cultures by Spanish and Portuguese Jesuits in the 16th and 17th Century.

Today, it's Opus One and a plethora of evangelists and archdioceses gamnely attempting to stop human rights in their tracks - especially any human right and proven science associated with sex and marriage.

Human rights = equals freedom FROM religion, not freedom OF religion. Most religious conservatives hate human rights - because it means losing control of the masses to secular humanism - a death knell for religious dominance over irreligious politics.

TruthToTell Nov 22: RELIGION IN TWIN CITIES: Dividing or Uniting? Listen Below

On-air date: 
Mon, 11/22/2010

Back on September 22nd, yet another attack in the Catholic Church’s war against gay marriage was launched, spending $1 million for the Knights of Columbus to produce and send 400,000 DVDs to Catholics throughout the realm of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis. The DVD admonishes all Catholics – and sympathizers – to lobby the coming Legislature for a state Constitutional Amendment to essentially ban gay marriage by defining marriage as a union only of one man and one woman. That these weren’t out less than six weeks before the General Election couldn’t have been an accident, but their effect on the election remains to be tabulated, if ever. We know what happened to the DFL majorities in the House and Senate.

One response was the formation of a group calling itself ReturnTheDVDs, urging all DVD recipients to either refuse delivery or send back the DVD in protest. Another saw the Basilica of St. Mary’s artist-in-residence, Lucinda Naylor, deciding to gather up as many of the DVDs from volunteer donors to create a sculpture out of them. She painted the hundreds she received blue and turned them into a piece of interlocking discs called “The Wave.” Yet another was a scathing essay written by Father Mike Tegeder, pastor of St. Edward’s Catholic Church in Bloomington and another by the Rev. Clifford Robinson, St. Luke's Episcopal Church of Minneapolis. (Remember, elevation of the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopalian Church, V. Gene Robinson, sparked a schism among Anglicans everywhere, and Robinson is resigning or retiring in 2013 in part because persistent death threats have rocked his marriage.)

TTT’s ANDY DRISCOLL and LYNNELL MICKELSEN talk with our guests for a lively conversation about the role religion plays in uniting or dividing us, with an emphasis on religion’s, especially the Catholic and Episcopalian faiths’ responses to the reality of same-sex relationships, no longer as closeted and demanding a place not only in society but in the congregations of their choice. We’ll also discuss the roles churches should or should not play in mixing their spiritual missions with the more corporal business of secular politics. Join us and join in the discussion: Call 612-341-0980 and be a part of TruthToTell – always.

REV. LEEANNE WATKINS - Rector, St. Mary's Episcopal Church, Saint Paul

REV. MICHAEL TEGEDER - Pastor, St. Edward's Catholic Church, Bloomington, MN

LUCINDA NAYLOR – Former Artist-in-Residence at Basilica of St. Mary, Creator of "The Wave" DVD Sculpture

The Archdiocese of St. Paul & Minneapolis (Dennis McGrath) stated that they do not participate in such discussions, unless there's a theological conference or something of similar gravity involved.

55:31 minutes (25.42 MB)